begun to bite. it might this week given the testimony we are about ready to hear. >> bill: it has to be very strong though. it has to be hillary clinton or president obama. if it involves unnamed people at the state department or i told xy this, then it just goes aways. it's the same thing that happened with watergate. once it started to hill, nixon's big guns, right up there, and then nixon started to literally sweat about it, then everybody, the folks started to pay attention. but if it's gonna be wishy washy in the hearing on wednesday, and, believe me, the democrats are going to try to make it such, folks aren't going to engage. >> yeah. well, look, a couple of -- first of all, i think you are right, there needs to be more to this than we have seen thus far there is a lot here. there is an excellent piece out by steve hayes and "the weekly standard" that draws this for the first time right into the white house on the afternoon of the 14th of september, friday afternoon, at about 6:52 in the evening.